Wednesday, November 6, 2013

Where are they now? Updates on the Perpetrators

Gertrude Nadine Baniszewski:
(September 19, 1929 – June 16, 1990) was convicted of 1st degree murder and sentenced to life in prison on May 19, 1966.  She appealed her case and was granted a new trial in 1971, because The Indiana Supreme court declared that there was "prejudicial atmosphere" surrounding the case. On Aug. 5, 1971 Gertrude was convicted of first degree murder again. It is said that during Gertrude’s time in prison she was a “model prisoner” and a “den mother” to the other prisoners, and came up for parole in 1985.  The following article is about Gertrude's prison life before her 1971 trial.  It is sad that after what she did to Sylvia, her life was better in prison that it was before hand.http://forsylvialikensx.yuku.com/topic/140/master/1/?page=1.  Her 1971 trial information is detailed on the timeline of this page.    Many people were against her parole; in fact, there was a petition with 40,000 signatures.  A judge even tried to vacate the parole board's decision to no avail, because the parole board upheld the decision. People were outraged that Gertrude did not even take responsibility for the crime, she is quoted as saying, "I'm not sure what role I had in it ... because I was on drugs. I never really knew her ... I take full responsibility for whatever happened to Sylvia I wish i could undo it but, I can't and i'm sorry I'm just asking for mercy and nothing else.”  The publicity of Gertrude’s parole has been credited, by some, with Indiana changing its parole policy to include more input from the public.  Gertrude changed her name to Nadine van Fossan and moved to Iowa with her daughter Paula.  Details about this time are largely unknown.  Gertrude died five years later of lung cancer, without ever publically taking responsibility or apologizing for this crime.

Paula Pace/ Baniszewski:
Paula was convicted of second-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison as well as Gertrude.  Paula also gave birth to a baby girl she name Gertrude during the trial. The location and identity of this child is relatively unknown, but a fairly reliable source claims that the child was treated well and became a doctor.   Paula was also granted a new trial where she plead guilty to involuntary manslaughter.  In the grand tradition of stupidity with the Indiana parole board, and despite the fact that she tried to escape twice, Paula was paroled after serving only two years in 1972.  Paula moved to Iowa where her mother eventually joined her.  Thankfully Paula’s story has a little karmic justice.  In  October of 2012 Paula was exposed, because of her facebook account.  An anonymous tipster reported her to the school board, because she was working as a teachers aid.  Paula was suspended then fired. To this date Paula has never accepted responsibility for this crime publicly or to Sylvia’s surviving family members.

Stephanie Serikstad/ Blake/ Baniszewski:   
Stephanie was not indicted  by the Grand Jury, because she testified against her family. She was initially arrested due to injury of person, but the charges were later dropped.  It is widely speculated, but not confirmed that Stephanie made a deal with Leroy New to avoid being prosecuted. There are several documented instances where she participated in the torture as much as the other children, but she was able to dodge punishment unlike her other teenage siblings.  Gertrude even claimed while she was in prison, that Coy Hubbard, Stephanie’s boyfriend took the blame for stuff Stephanie had done because he loved her.  I have a copy of this document on my forum, but I don't take it too seriously because it Gertrude saying it, but the document, although hard to read, is interesting.  http://forsylvialikensx.yuku.com/topic/141/Gertrude-talks-bad-about-Stephanie-in-parole-document?page=-1   After the trial, Stephanie went to live with her father.  Her first words after the crime to her father were, “I don’t want anyone to think I had anything to do with this”.  Apparently she still does not want them to think that. Stephanie is the member of the Baniszewski clan that has made the most statements about the crime.  She has even posted on some forums claiming her innocence.  Most of her claims have later been found to be lies. The following is a link to evidence against Stephanie's innocence.  Was Stephanie Guilty?   Stephanie became a teacher and is living in Florida. To this day Stephanie has never made public acknowledgement of her involvement in the crime.

John Blake/ Baniszewski:

John, to this day was the only one who ever admitted responsibility for this crime.  He was convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to 21 years in prison, but he ended up only serving two years.  He was released to his father’s custody and finished school.  It seems that he did actually suffer guilt from this crime, because he turned his life around.  He also volunteered information for a newspaper article talking about troubled youth.   John became a church deacon and was very active in his church.  John died on May 19, 2005 at age 52 of complications from diabetes.  It is not known if he had a relationship with his mother or siblings as an adult.  You can read an article about him on my forum.http://forsylvialikensx.yuku.com/topic/34/John-BaniszewskiBlake-interview 

Coy Hubbard:
Coy was convicted of manslaughter and served two years of his 21 year sentence for manslaughter.  Coy remained a criminal and had legal trouble throughout his life.  He was also charged with another murder, but he was acquitted.  You can read the article on this link: http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag47/angela_curry1/CoyHubbardarrestedphoto_zps31dc7f19.jpg  
Coy, by all accounts, had an extremely difficult life.  It is wondered why he did not change his name and move away. Coy was another one that was exposed as an adult, as he was fired from his job when the movie An American Crime came out.  It is widely reported by different sources that Coy suffered humiliation and ridicule for his role in the crime.  The following is a quote from his daughter: What gave you right to plaster my fathers name {Coy Hubbard} over the internet? I guess people like you don't really care who's lives you are destroying, after all Sylvia Likens was 40+ years ago. I wasn't even born yet and you've destroyed mine. Thank You, Sincerely, Dealing with it.  In our opinion, being that this girl is making light of Sylvia’s crime, it is unlikely that Coy Hubbard ever acknowledged his role in this crime.

Ricky Hobbs:

Along with Coy and John, Ricky was convicted of manslaughter and served about two years in prison.  Ricky Hobbs has a tendency to draw sympathy from people because he was losing his mother at the time of Sylvia’s death, but there is a radio interview  that will cure anyone of this available on my forum.  http://forsylvialikensx.yuku.com/reply/96/Ricky-Hobbs-radio-interview-Super-Creepy#reply-96 Also when Richard Hobbs was asked if he felt bad about what he did to Sylvia, he said what does it matter.  He actually got a tremendous amount of sympathy from John Dean Author of the book House of Evil.  I will have a link to that article under the John Dean section of this page.  Ricky hobbs died January 2, 1972 of lung cancer at age 21.

Marie Blake/ Baniszewski:
Marie was 11 at the time of the crime and no charges were brought against her.  Marie has been quoted as saying that her and Shirley were terrified during the abuse and they thought they would get the same if they spoke up.  Marie is still living in Indiana.  She is not close with her sisters Paula or Shirley, but she is close to Stephanie.  Marie has never claimed personal responsibility for the crime, but she was the only child to break down on the stand at the trial.

Shirley/ Blake Baniszewski:  
Shirley was 10 at the time of the crime.  No charges were brought against her.  She is currently living in Iowa and is close with her sister Paula.  There was a woman who claimed on a message board that Shirley stayed with her off and on with a lesbian friend of hers. This woman called her self Anna.  Well the story goes that Anna got a call from the women's correctional center.  When confronted, she admitted that she was Gertrude’s daughter and disappeared.  For some reason I have a tendency to believe this story.  There has never been any public statement of remorse for her part in the crime.

Judy Duke:

Judy was arrested for injury to person and the charges were later dropped.  Judy’s involvement in the torture was relatively low,  but she admitted to slapping and trying to kick her, because Gertrude said she called her mother a name.  Judy also tried to tell her mother what was going on.  Judy’s mother dismissed it and did not contact anyone.  Judy Duke gave a very strange interview where it appears she may have made some things up.  You can read it here.   Judy is still alive.  She is married and has three kids.  The interviewer of this article has said that Judy showed remorse for her part, but the way she referred to Sylvia in the article makes this unlikely. You can read the article on my forum.
http://forsylvialikensx.yuku.com/topic/36

Anna Sisco:

Anna was another arrested for injury to person, but the charges were later dropped. Gertrude convinced Anna that Sylvia called her mother a name and Anna attacked Sylvia.  Anna died Oct. 23, 1996.  I will update this as I come across more information.  There has never been any public statement of remorse for her part in the crime.

Darlene MacGuire:  

Was the one who was responsible for bringing the Baniszewski’s and the Likens’ together. She was supposed to be friends with Sylvia, but by all accounts she burned her with cigarettes.  There has never been any public statement of remorse for her part in the crime.

Mike Monroe:  
Mike was arrested for injury to person, but the charges were later dropped and he was not called to testify at trial.  It is widely speculated that Mike told his mom about the abuse and that she was the one that called the nurse that came to the house.  I am not sure what Mike’s level of involvement was, because he did not testify, but he did have some involvement.  Jenny did mention him as someone involved.  Mike Monroe still resides in the house that he did when the murder happened.  There has never been any public statement of remorse for his part in the crime.

Randy Lepper:
Randy was charged with injury to person, but the charges were dropped.  He admitted to hitting Sylvia 30 or 40 times. Randy never married or had children.  There is a rumor that he may have been a cross dresser and or gay.  Gertrude herself said that he came to the house dressed like a girl.  He died in November 2010.  There has never been any public statement of remorse for his part in the crime.

James Baniszewski:  
James was eight at the time of the crime.  He was neither arrested or called to testify.  It has been documented that he participated in the torture, but he was to young to be held accountable.  James also known as Jimmy is the Baniszewski with the least known about him. It is known that he has lived with his sister Stephanie and her children at times, and that he has spent time living in New York.  Jimmy is not  remorseful  about his involvement in the crime.  He is quoted as saying that Sylvia died on purpose to piss his mom off.  Jimmy has also the only B sibling that chose not to speak to his brother Denny.  It was speculated that he might have been jealous of him.

Leroy K New:  Leroy was the prosecutor in the Sylvia Likens trial.  He was known to be a soft hearted guy, and he took Jenny in after the trial, so she could finish school.  Leroy K. New did a wonderful job prosecuting the Baniszewski’s.  You can read his closing arguments in the case from John Dean’s book House of evil here. Leroy died September 18, 2005 at age 85.  

Dennis Wright Jr: Dennis was a baby when Sylvia was being tortured.  After his family was arrested, he was placed in foster care and eventually adopted.  He had a really rough life, because his adoptive parents were abusive.  He got married and was a wonderful father to his son.  Unfortunately, Dennis died in February 2012.  Dennis was haunted by what his family did to Sylvia, and he often cried as a baby when she was being abused.  He is greatly missed by his wife and son.

John Baniszewski/ Blake SR:  John eventually gained custody of all of his children.  There is  not much known about the time he spent with them, but John JR said he remarried and was fond of his new stepmother.  He is quoted as saying that, “she is the kind of woman his mother should have been”.  It seems he was an ok father.  John Blake died October, 31 2007

John Dean (Natty Bumpo):  John was a journalist who attended the trial every day and wrote several articles about the case.  He wrote a book called House of evil: The Indiana Torture Slaying.  There are about three different editions of this book.  John seems to have a lot of sympathy for Sylvia in this book, but he kind of jumped shark in an article about this case. In the following link he is having a discussion with Denise Noe http://borf_books.tripod.com/skelter.htm Many people are offended in the way that he speaks about Sylvia and shows so much sympathy for Ricky Hobbs.  John apparently changed his name because John Dean was so common that he was getting mixed up with someone who was disbarred.

Kate Millet: Kate is a feminist who wrote the book The Basement: Meditations on a Human Sacrifice.  This book has received mix reviews.  Many people like its informative section, but Kate attempts to put herself in Gertrude and Sylvia’s head for a feminist perspective on the crime.  Kate also did an art display on the crime.

Jack Ketchum:
Jack is an author who has brought attention to the Sylvia likens case through his book and movie The Girl Next Door.  It is a completely different take with a darker twist that An American Crime, but it is loosely based on the Sylvia Likens Case.  Many people like the interpretation he takes of the character loosely based on Gertrude Baniszewski.

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  1. This case has remained with me since I learned of it in 2007. Like the murders of Channon Christian and Chris Newsom or the Wichita Massacre, it does not take a serial killer or a famous victim to stand out as one of the worst tragedies to occur in American Crime. The cruelty involved, and by children no less, makes this case even more tragic. The fact that all of these kids lived in the house of a dying, beaten girl is appalling and sickening. Paula is one of the worst and I'm still scratching my head over the sympathetic portrayal her character received in the film An American Crime. As human beings, we all have the capability of being cruel, wicked and violent. But we also have remorse and empathy. So even if these kids were capable of harming Sylvia, WHERE was the compassion? Did any of them tell Sylvia they were sorry? Or did they, even after the trial, believe they'd done nothing wrong? Paula named her bastard after Gertrude, escaped from prison, lived with Gertrude after their parole, and lied to the school she worked for, around children despite her crime. She never showed remorse. When her identity was revealed she could have tried to own up to her crime, but she slunk away like a snake in the grass. I wonder if during Gertrudes last days, did she and Paula discuss Sylvia? Or did they just think of their crime in terms of a great tragedy that destroyed their lives, resulting in the family being separated and their names changed to avoid being the target of 40,000 people who wanted them to remain locked up. My bet is on the latter due to Gertrude still denying responsibility even at her parole hearing, using drug abuse as an excuse not to remember her crime or the victim. I do smile thinking about Paula's life being uprooted over her identity revealed. Maybe Sylvia smiled too when the moment occured to Paula that Sylvia would not be forgotten even if Paula tried to forget.

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    1. I agree with you 100%. I remember I was watching Deadly Women when I clicked on the episode that Sylvia was in. I cried my eyes out and honestly couldn't believe that a woman could do this to an innocent child. I mean for peets sake her own daughter was pregnant and claimed that it was Sylvia who was pregnant and not her. I don't understand the American Crime movies portrayal of Paula. I thought they gave her to much sympathy and not enough of her being a total mean girl to Sylvia who did nothing to Paula. I cry every time I read Sylvia's story.

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  2. This case has remained with me since I learned of it in 2007. Like the murders of Channon Christian and Chris Newsom or the Wichita Massacre, it does not take a serial killer or a famous victim to stand out as one of the worst tragedies to occur in American Crime. The cruelty involved, and by children no less, makes this case even more tragic. The fact that all of these kids lived in the house of a dying, beaten girl is appalling and sickening. Paula is one of the worst and I'm still scratching my head over the sympathetic portrayal her character received in the film An American Crime. As human beings, we all have the capability of being cruel, wicked and violent. But we also have remorse and empathy. So even if these kids were capable of harming Sylvia, WHERE was the compassion? Did any of them tell Sylvia they were sorry? Or did they, even after the trial, believe they'd done nothing wrong? Paula named her bastard after Gertrude, escaped from prison, lived with Gertrude after their parole, and lied to the school she worked for, around children despite her crime. She never showed remorse. When her identity was revealed she could have tried to own up to her crime, but she slunk away like a snake in the grass. I wonder if during Gertrudes last days, did she and Paula discuss Sylvia? Or did they just think of their crime in terms of a great tragedy that destroyed their lives, resulting in the family being separated and their names changed to avoid being the target of 40,000 people who wanted them to remain locked up. My bet is on the latter due to Gertrude still denying responsibility even at her parole hearing, using drug abuse as an excuse not to remember her crime or the victim. I do smile thinking about Paula's life being uprooted over her identity revealed. Maybe Sylvia smiled too when the moment occured to Paula that Sylvia would not be forgotten even if Paula tried to forget.

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    1. Shows you Indiana is crap. She try to escape prison and they let her out. All of them were at an age to know right from wrong, sat in church. They had to heard, live one another, do unto others as you would want them to do to you. What needed to be done, was the prison should had gotten justice done, that the court system didn't go. My late husband was from Indiana, they will give a person a life sentence for a crime they know they commit and let both of the witches and S O B do a few years. I'm a believer and this church crap of not taking a life, they must be reading another Bible. YHVH, God, said a life for a life. Even even told them to go and kill men, women and children. That whole neighbor must have been demon possessed. Yeah, we played tricks as kids, but nothing to cause harm to another person. But, some justice came for the one guy to die at age 21 from cancer. My late husband told me, that Indiana if you rape a women it was 8 years, you molest a child it's 3. Go figured, more info is out that it's those in power that are paying for children. Up to those in the white house. To even police, FBI, we live in a very sick demonic world. I hope everyone that didn't report it live in hell of guilt. They're cowards. I saw a response on here earlier, I just saw the movie, and I have cried and prayed that she will be heaven. She already had hell. That judge should have given them the death sentence. It was not only murder, but abuse and torture. We can't even do that in the military to our enemies. I hate our system. I watch criminal true stories. A young black guy, just hauling drugs is in prison for life. 17 years old. Yet these butts 2 years, and Gerty, 20,and called mom. BS. And she was being an influence on minors. Allowing it in her home and promoting it. The justice would have been for those lawyers to have it come home to them and the judge, put the shoes on and see how it feels when it's your family member. Hell, has more room, and every money hungry lawyer will pay and every judge that has been paid off and every dehonest cop, and people like Paula and her mom. She was like a Charles Manson.

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  3. What a sad sad story. How could this happen in any modern society. I pray that Sylvia is in a better place now and that our communities never ever let such hideous crimes happen again.

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    1. That’s just it...back in the 60s parents did terrible things to their kids. There were no laws then. It was considered punishment. Not abuse

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  4. The Social Services, police and parole board of Indiana are all guilty of negligence of duty in such a sad, tragic case. RIP Silvia.

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    1. Indiana's legal/Justice system is still a complete failure.

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    3. One of the most grave injustices I've read about in a long time. Gertrude should have been sentenced to solitary confinement for life. Paula, life in prison wth no possibility of parole. John B and Ricky Hobbs 20+ years, and several others a minimum of 10.

      This is arguably the most heinous and depraved crimes in American history, and there was no justice for Sylvia Likens.

      To be honest, I do wish and believe it would be right for those who were directly involved and still alive, specifically Paula, be tracked down and executed.

      Such vigilante justice is only necessary in the most extreme of cases, and this is one of them.

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    4. I totally agree with you. They all should have been made to suffer greatly after what they did to Sylvia.

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  5. http://borf_books.tripod.com/skelter.htm wow, I cannot believe what author John Dean aka Natty Bumppo wrote about Sylvia Likens, in this... so sad, and beyond adding insult to injury. I cannot believe it... I am still in complete shock. I know that God has Sylvia, and HE will bring her justice, completely.

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  6. Thank you for sharing this horrible story.

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  7. i wish theh all burn in hell...and karma never comes late...

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    1. WELL LOOKS LIKE THEY ALL GOT THEIR KARMA MOST ALL DIED. THATS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.

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    2. And I’d have no problem being one of those vigilantes.

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    3. Dying, years after torturing someone to death, isn’t karma! That’s just dying.

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  8. I honestly don't know why they let them free, they should have locked them all up and throw the keys away... also yea I hope there is a hell where they can burn. I just can't understand why so much hate towards Sylvia, I bet she was an angel and they just hated and had envy towards her for this. People are like this they just hate without reason, I never really understood this but I kind of know what it feels because people are like this to me too ever since I was 5 years old. At school at workplace everywhere I go people just don't like me, I kind of feel what Sylvia went through I can relate, I have never done wrong to anyone I have never been a bad person and I am very polite yet most people hate me... I am 30 right now no kids and I have 2 freinds that I consider them real friends... anyway enough about me I got carried away, just wanted to say I really feel Sylvia didn't deserve this and I feel related to her somehow, people are just haters and I will never understand this.

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    1. I agree, Sylvia didn't deserve this. She was an innocent girl but they liked to see her as a bitch, as an awful person, a person that she never was but they. I am not as others on my mind as to "burn in hell" , revenge doesn't change anything. But if there is something that i "hate", is that the "good people", the neighbours did not call the police in order to help Sylvia Marie and Jenny although they heard the screams. There is a similar case in germany with a girl called Karolina, she wast just 3 years old.

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    2. they let em go cause their white i bet if it were black kids they would put em in juvie or having them on probation they would have some type of punishment with no remorse

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    3. I have related to Sylvia on a very small level too. As far as you go,, hang in there and pray to the Lord, don't give up. I know what it's like to be outcasted and sometimes when you're not liked the dislike can turn to violence , I understand....

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    4. "Pray to the Lord"

      I'm sure Sylvia did that every day she was being tortured. Where was the Lord for her? Nowhere to be found.

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    5. "Pray to the Lord"

      Yeah. Pray to the one who sat back and allowed it to happen (if it exists).

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    6. Yea, the praying thing, to a god that lets this happen? What’s he gonna do with her after she “goes to heaven”? Let her get beat, burned, cut, raped and punched some more.

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  9. thank you for posting this. what a truly disgusting story. i've tried looking up who is still alive, but can't find anything. can you provide more info on who / where they are?

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    1. I am also looking. I live in iowa and worked at a large grocery store. I had a customer , a regular, that comes in the morning and again around dinnertime. I swear as im sitting here tonight she is the spittn image of Gertrude. As soon as i saw her pic it was like....i know that person!! Thought a few minutes and was like ...no way!!! But they could be twins!!

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  10. Fortunately for Gertrude, children are easily manipulated, and where I am not excusing the main culprits, of this vicious murder, their desire to please Gertie, seems almost pathological. At least by admitting his guilt in what happened, John was able to find some measure of peace, something Paula might want to look into.

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    1. No. All they deserved was execution. And yet the evil mother had a better life after the murder. Food, lodging, warmth, clean cloths and to be den mother!

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    2. Amen to that. But, as far as God, God allows men to have free will. Paul whom murder belevers had an awakening. She did pray and the Father came for her. She will never suffer again. I know of a situation close to home, they were 2 years old. YHVH, God, didn't want puppets, He wanted to give man their will, to chose. We all are guilty, of saying I'm doing what I want to. That we have allow the devil in. By bad choices, breaking His law, like Adam and Eve. One day, which what all is happening at this time, election, covid, fake news, riots, birthing pains have begun. She believe and held on to His word. Sometimes YHVH uses people, in this case none responded to the call. She will be dress in white and never know pain again. It wasn't just murder, it was torture, they all should have been put to death. Bible even said and eye for and eye. He never changed His word, men just chose what they want to follow and say the rest was done away with. In exodus, He said one Lord, one law for both Jew and gentile. His feast and law was for forever, not when Son came, and would be done away with, but a law to keep forever. That's why everything is so wrong. We have to forgive so it doesn't eat us like cancer, but it doesn't mean justice can't be serve. Lev. A life for a life, no if and or buts. When they stole they were to give back twice as much of what they took. Take that church bull, that those of you that protest outside of a court room on death penalty. Cruel, my butt. And you can kiss it too. Read the Word.

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  11. Shame on the so called justice system in Indianapolis. All of them should have served every last year and more. The death penalty should have been used for this case.

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  12. What a sad story this girl must have been so mentally broken to not run away or tell someone what was happening to her. This happened over 50 years ago and none of the perpetrators seemed to do any serious prison time. I am interested in what the victims parents said about all of this throughout the trials and what happened to the parents.

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  13. What a sad story this girl must have been so mentally broken to not run away or tell someone what was happening to her. This happened over 50 years ago and none of the perpetrators seemed to do any serious prison time. I am interested in what the victims parents said about all of this throughout the trials and what happened to the parents.

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    1. She was tied to a post in the basement with a broken leg after being thrown done the stairs at the request of Gertrude then tried to the post and tortured by the Gertrude , her spawns and the neighborhood children, while the neighbors heard her screams of pain day in and day out. And looked the other way. They also should have been tried for something.

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  14. So many things are wrong with this case it literally blows my mind. Firstly the extreme poverty of all counterparts and then the total cluster bleep of the justice system and denial of all the perpetrators. Gertrude was the gang leader and her deputy was her daughter Paula. God, karma call it what you will, justice prevails. It came too late for Sylvia but it's a reminder that there is a Sylvia in every murdered child and the justice system in needs to change for benefit of children every where especially those in poverty or neglect. Challenge the justice system, make change in the system and keep voicing your challenge to the justice system to make real change so that those that commit the crime PAY THE BLEEPING CRIME.

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  15. What about mum and dad of Sylvia and Jenny? It reminds me all the time of the song of Jene Pitney, "Somewhere in the country". Having kids is all the luck you can get. Why give away the kids to people you don't know very well? The sisters should have better travelled with mum and dad or even alone as Sonora did in the movie "Wild hearts can't be broken". Sadly they couldn't escape from that wierd spider net of a frustrated woman, lunatic and sadistic.

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  16. I have the dvd "The Girl Next Door" but could only bring myself too watch it one time. For me, that was one time too much. How the hell could ANYONE be so damn cruel to another human being? IMO All those involved should've been given the death penalty, PERIOD, END OF STORY! Its a good thing I wasn't the judge, cos that's EXACTLY what they would've gotten. It always amazes me, when these twisted deeply warped twisted F$%KS end up getting life sentence's. Oh sure, they get to live behind bars & have 3 square meals a day, all while they live off my & your tax dollars every day. That's Bullshit! They get to go o living everyday, but you sure can't say that, about the ones they butchered or hacked, now can you?

    And yet, us as tax payers are suppose to help pay our taxes to keep these punks alive? And what's even more B.S. is when you here these punks say how they "found God" while in jail. All they found, was a great line of B.S. to play on peoples sympathy. And IMO if you want any sympathy Jackass, its in the dictionary right between shit & suicide. Like I said, ALL THOSE INVOLVED SHOULD'VE BEEN FRIED IN THE ELECTRIC CHAIR. More proof on just how big a joke the judicial system really is. And the sad part to all this is, today, those who are still alive, are now among the living & are free in the world. And if you find the bastards, KILL EM!

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    1. I COMPLETELY AGREE! the fact that they release ANY of them is BULL SHIT! I want paula, stephanie and all the other assholes alive to DIE.

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    2. Actually it(sympathy)would be after shit and suicide.lol. sorry. I watched the American Crime movie about this story and it was so disturbing I have never forgotten it! It made me sick to my core that someone(alot of someone's) would do that to another human. I agree they should have gotten the death penalty. They sure as hell should have never seen the light of day again! Shame on the Indiana parole board for that! Disgusting.

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    3. This is the most disturbing movie ever. Plus they made Sylvia eat the babys feces.and put salt in her wounds and gave her scalding baths!

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    4. Why would you need to add that? Almost as if you enjoyed sharing even more of the horror she went through.

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    5. I posted one other place. My late husband was from Indiana. He was put in prison and convicted of murder he didn't do. A life sentence. They know he didn't do it. After 20 years and reading over the transcript he was release and I meant him while he was on parole. These folks murder her, abused her, torture her, Paula a few years and has grown children. About 73 now. What life, help killed someone, and you're out here like both I'm nothing. And mom, 20 years. It's states that she gain weight and life was good. I can't believe the Dumbass prisoners didn't get her ass. They should have rape her w a broom. Instead, mom. Indiana justice, back when my husband was trying to get his case appeal, the law was 8 years for raping a women, 3 years for molesting a child. Maybe that tells you where are pedophiles are. A man got out of jail, went and killed his wife. He was put back in prison. At that time they could get furlow. They locked the prison down. A few days later, in the paper, head lines, society couldn't get justice, but the prison did. They set him on fire, the inmates, in his cell. Of course he died. Everyone on the post, justice was not served. She was no different than Charles Manson and he didn't kill, his followers did. Watch these true crime shows. It amazes me how some kill their spouse r whom ever, one case gets 18 years. One may get life w no parole. You took a life, the Bible said, an eye for an eye. He never changed His word, man has and he picks and chooses which things he wants to believe, that's why there are over 30,000 denomination. That's why we pay so much taxes to house murders and then the case in Tenn. One escape and killed a parole board woman. And yeah, a lot will say I found Jesus. Hoping to get parole. If they found Him then they shouldn't fear death.

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  17. Thank you for sharing thhat information considering what happened with them.
    Thank you again.

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  18. This is one of the saddest crimes ever. I watched the move years ago and still have nightmares about it. That the people involved have gone on like they did nothing shows the depths of their evil. It is scary that some of then aren't in hell yet and still walk the street. This is the type of crime where the perpetrators should have to endure the same punishment they gave to the victim. I think it's the only way they might feel remorsend. Comments that they were children and didn't understand the extent of their actions are bull I know as a child I could never have done this to anyone or anything. All little series kills that should never have seen the light of day.

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    1. Scariest movie ever. Cant believe this is a true story.have nigjtmares all the time

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  19. I know I'm late to the party by more than a decade, but I just clicked over and read the Natty Bumppo/Denise Noe correspondence, along with the asides thrown in by a few others. As someone who was seriously - though by no means as significantly - bullied and abused as a child and early teen, one of the most hurtful comments came from the person who declared that Sylvia had no "fighting spirit" and that this is why she had allowed herself to be victimized in this way. As someone who endured significant physical harm at the hands of a group of strangers on a daily basis, I suppose I did radiate a certain vulnerability, yes. But that wasn't the only reason they chose me. They also chose me because I was a bit of an innocent, a trusting person who saw the best in others, and also, because I DID possess a fighting spirit, though that trust meant it took longer to awaken. Full compliance would have been boring to my bullies. How do I know this? Because unlike Sylvia, I survived, and unlike her tormentors, the ringleader of mine asked to meet with me 30 years later and expressed deep remorse. He offered to answer any questions I might have and we talked for a very long time. He made no excuses for himself, but he did explain who he was at that time, why he chose me, and how he had come to rally so many people to the cause of my daily humiliation. It freed me in many ways. Sylvia never had that chance. I was recently reminded of this case by a podcast I listen to, and thought about reading Mr. Dean/Bumppo's book, but I won't put a penny in this man's pocket after seeing how callously he speaks of Sylvia. I'm not bothered by his empathy for Hobbs or for Lester, but this idea that they are victims at anything close to her level is bizarre and, it seems to me, completely chauvinistic - which is not a word I use lightly in 2016, almost 2017 America.

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  20. Natty Bumppo is a sick man I think that used Sylvia's story for profit.

    RIP Sylvia Likens

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  21. I hope Baniszewski generation burn in hell, as they stop Sylvia's generation. All of them deserve to die.

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    1. They all need to be tracked down and whatever lives they have mustered, utterly ruined. I would not advocate for this in any other situation/case but the unimaginably depravity involved in this is an exception.

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  22. I've just learnt about Sylvia's story and this horrible crime.
    My thoughts are with her family. Rest in peace, Sylvia.

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    1. Yes Sylvia is resting in peace I am certain of it she deserves it after all of the crap she had to put up with from Gertrude who did most of the damage but also sat by at times and let her children or the neighbor hood kids torture her which I don't approve of.

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  23. I just learned about this today. Watching "The Girl Next Door", had to look up the real story behind it. I was in complete shock!! Shock isn't even the word.. There is NO word(s) to explain any of this. I've read too much as to why nobody is taking any responsibility for their actions. Gertrude couldn't have been on drugs that bad to humiliate and torture an innocent soul. The fact that they got released is questionable. The fact that they got released at all is UNBELIEVABLE!!

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    2. I interpret what your saying is; (How they even survived jail?) If that is not what you're saying forgive me... My only logic is Gertrude was a mastermind at manipulation which probably helped her to survive and unfortunately get liked in prison as far as Paula, from what I have read she was 5'4" and weighing 160. Obviously this individual (Paula) was violent, which makes me wonder if she could of handled herself in prison. I don't understand, it seems like some people especially predators are just not victims. I don't get it at all !!! They will destroy, humiliate, and even cause death. A very strong Christian had to remind me that God is just.

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    3. God is the Great Equalizer. If not in this life, in the next, but justice will prevail.

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    4. God is asleep at the wheel or is unconcerned with us at this point after so many muck ups who can blame him. Truth is this has no happy ending other than she is no more and with her the suffering goes to. For her anyways. She read her Bible and kept to prayer through out this ordeal and nay a single cloud parted to bring her any form of salvation or mercy that any benevolent omnipotent Godhead would ultimately be required to do. Usually I let your sort have your easy answers and write offs of it all with the God excuse but with this one it is beyond patronizing and really dishonors the poor girls memory and superficially downplays the actual reality and forces that caused such a horrendous experience by an innocent at the hands of monsters who basically got slapped on their folded praying hands. As they too in their own way used this same 'God' rhetoric to absolve and explain and thus forgive themselves entirely of these unforgivable acts. The audacity to cast themselves in a heavenly light as they skipped and whistled happy tunes about their own perceived redemption. Besides eye for eye came first if you are going to be stubborn and even try to sort through the many many contradictions that is the good book. When someone says what you said it basically just means that you have strong feelings too but no explanation or words that would actually help and you are sorry for that. Please possibly go that route when it can be helped. I say this out of love. I try to live by near all the basic morals and good value asserted in the bible. Not because I think I am going to get to go live in an eternal paradise with the Lord himself. No way. I am completely undeserving of that. Not sure anyone is honestly. But still I try to be a good christian like person simply for the sake of I know it is the right thing to do. You don't need a God for that. And if God is real and as wise as he should be he would likely be proud of us for making that assertion. That is what I have been able to gather from it all thus far. My life has been devoted to this concern I will add. Yet still I will confess at most I know nothing still. With love for you all always. Take care friends.

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    5. Humans chose to do things their own way ling ago, wanting to "be like God". So He agreed to let us rule ourselves for a spec8fied time. As that time frame comes to a close, God's people are seeing the signs we were prophecies happen. The end of human rule is very, very close.

      Yeshua knew that many of us would not find human rule effective or acceptable. It's for people like Sylvia that He allowed himself to be tortured, humiliated, hated & murdered. For us, he gave payment for our sins, so that we would be spared the punishment that is coming to people(?) like Gertrude. Knowing this, and that it won't be much longer before the agreed time ends - that God will take back His rule and the world will revert to the original"plan" for mankind- is a relief. I can't take much more of how sick and twisted "humanity" has become.
      As God, He's kept his word to let us try living without Him.
      Watch. Soon a LOT of people will be gone, and the government will have to attribute it to aliens or something. Then, retribution begins.

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  24. Two wrongs don't make a right, & people doing the right thing is one of the only ways to show there's a difference. But these people bring the worst tendencies out of me - I want to exact revenge, I want all the survivors, esp. the ones who hide/deny, such as Paula & Stephanie, lynched & tortured. I want them to admit what they did and understand it. I never thought anything cd piss me off beyond, say, what was done to people in the Holocaust, but this does. I wish Gertrude had suffered so much more.

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    1. Same.Not even my fantasies of revenge can quell the violent anger I hold in my heart.Truth is,that poor girl's story could be any body's,even mine.All it takes is an unfortunate sequence of events and boom!A situation you couldn't have foreseen and can't escape.I shudder to think that someone could endure such cruelty at the hands of other human beings and have no one come to their aid.

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    2. If you cant think of anything else then you should read about the trans Atlantic slave trade.

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  25. I have cried so many times over this story and over what happened to an innocent 16 year old girl who didn't deserve any of the crap that she went through. I believe with all my heart that Sylvia is resting in peace and is finally free. I have never approved of what those people did I think they should have served every bloody minute of there sentence but no they only served some jail time.

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  26. This is such a tragic heart wrenching case, but the concept of group think and how easily people can be led away from the basic elements of humanity are frightening, yet fascinating. Psychiatrists dropped the ball on this in the 60's. This case and Sylvia's tormentors should've been a point of deep study. The only real justice served in this horrendous crime was the lung cancer God bestowed on Gertrude. I doubt her final days on earth were very happy, before she descended into hell.

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  27. Coy Hubbards daughter is not having an easy life cause of what has been said about her father she is blaming everyone else for that instead of blaming her own father for the problems shes having had he not been part of it her life would be fine but what I don't get it how she sits there and says its been 40+ years well for her family its been 40+ years without her and years of pain. I think she should place blame with the fact that her father was a sick prick who added to the death of this girl and could have called police or told someone so it would stop. How would he feel if some sick fuck did this to his daughter. I get her pain living with her fathers mistakes but blame him the sick fucker. if he was my dad Id want nothing to do with him. how her mother found him find to be a father is beyond me. None of these people seem to care they took this girls life. wow

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    1. Why is he even still alive? He should have been executed decades ago. Some crimes when they reach unto a level of depravity that is inhuman and unconscionable, the perpetrator ceases to deserve their human rights due to their inhuman actions.

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    2. What kind of sick c!nt would marry that sadistic pos? His daughter is obviously a self-centered twunt who lacks empathy and compassion.

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  28. I've been haunted by what happened to Sylvia. I went though physical and emotional and mental abuse within a member of my family whom I turned into the police in December of 2006. He was killed in prison in 2011.

    Rip Sylvia Likens.you aren't in Amy pain.

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  29. Where can I see photos of the children's father, John banieszewski SR.?

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    2. No his photo seems hidden pretty well. Likely as he was a police officer. If you need help please just write one of us and we can wisely plan recourse to help as soon as possible. Even if you do not need help anymore please if you can let us know you are okay at least it would be a kindness on us all I am sure. You have friends here whether you know it or not Jolie... ♥ just ask... dysgeusian@gmail.com

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    3. Jolie its 2019. Your question stopped my heart. I know where you can go. I desperately hope you are not still in that situation. Ive been in therapy and PTSD from the same. Please reach out and update?? Prayers!!

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  30. I'm going through severe abuse from my brothers and mother, and police refuse to help me. Where can I get help
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    1. Jolie, please let us know how you are. I care deeply about your well-being. I was severely abused in foster care, you can get help. Please contact me jetbee@comcast.net

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  31. How old are you, child or adult? Is it psychical or physical abuse or both? Send me the address of the police station and i'll seriously confrontate them about your concern.

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    1. Right? I gave her my email, this is something not to ignore.

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    2. Damn. Anyone write to blogger in an attempt to have this looked into at all? What a thing to have here with no way to know or help. This is one of those times where I hope this was just a bad joke and not serious. Oi.

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  32. I cried when sylvia died in the movie her life story affected me greatly, I feel so much anger raging in my body, I will never forgive the people that killed sylvia
    Maybe ever

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  33. Mr. New was the worst. Read the transcripts. He failed to pursue lines of questioning that had direct bearing on the events. He usually lost his appeal trails which is why paula walked and gertie only served 20 years. And i have not seen any pics of John Sr either. That dude was
    involved. They just lied and kept him out of it. Picks the kids up every sunday but never even took a look inside to see his kids had no stove and 3 spoons. Bullshit.

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  34. I agree. The supposedly 'saved' son who moved to Texas overtly stressed the upstanding nature of his father and life under his rule in his home as if he was aware that any day now the truth of his role would be exposed. Police protect their own as it goes. Especially back then. Really makes me wonder what the police dog was brought over and really left for. Shudders down my spine. Anyone know where the oldest daughter is currently after being fired by the school district? Seems like it would be wise to keep tabs on this, er, person? Very curious to know.

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    1. Long story short i live in iowa. Worked in large grocery store. Theres a regular customer i swear is the spittn image of Gertrude. Like twins! Thats why im trying to track down paula and stephanie. If this ladys not related somehow ill eat sardines for breakfast til i die.

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  35. Anyone report the comment by @Jolie above to blogger? Or get a reply? Though it would be a sick joke I only can hope it was as that made my heart drop honestly. Before I looked at her profile she had had only 8 views. I will see if I can flag the comment or get any info through various ways but damn WTF you know!?

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  36. The Vermillions lived next door, and I always wondered if anyone ever confronted them about seeing Sylvia with injuries (and saw her beat once, too) but choosing to do nothing. I hope this haunted them until the end of their days.

    This is an excellent post and well researched. Thank you so much for your work.

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  37. WOW, so one actually paid for their part in this young lady's murder. AND Stephanie is out there teaching children in Florida & yes Paula should be lucky she was able to work the length of time she did before she was found out. This is all so Unbelievable!

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  38. thank you for posting this. I would like to know more about Stephanie Serikstad/ Blake/ Baniszewski. although never convicted because she snitched on her crazy mother and horrid of a sister paula, she probably had more to participate in the torture. it's a shame she's gone on to live her life normally and is now a school teacher in Florida?!!

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    2. Searched her today. Stephanie is a Republican, live in floral city
      https://www.floridaresidentsdirectory.com/person/102785286/serikstad-stephanie

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  39. In his 2014 book "Sylvia", Forrest Bowman, lawyer defending Coy Hubbard and John B. Jr,had the following insight, commenting on Erbecker's cross examination of Lester Likens (Erbecker implying that parental neglect was the root cause):

    "[Erbecker] may have established that Likens had some moral responsibility for Sylvia's death but his questions and Likens's answers called into serious question Likens's intellectual capacity in this regard, leaving unanswered the question whether he was dumb or just indifferent. Whatever the answer to that question, it did not diminish the legal responsibility of whoever inflicted the wounds on Sylvia. The evidence elicited from Likens by Erbecker's cross examination also tended to explain why both Sylvia and Jenny apparently believed there would be nothing to gain from reporting the abuse to some adult. Nothing in their experience would have led them to believe an adult authority would come to their aid."

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    1. Nope. Jenny and Sylvia told their older sister Diana but Diana was dismissive of their allegations.
      Lest and Betty should have been on trial as well.
      And they did know Gertrude and her husband John because they all lived near each other for years but no one brought that out in the trial.

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  40. I pray that all the individuals involved in the torture and abuse of Sylvia have the worst life ever. It looks as most of the abusers have had a short life. The Indiana "Justice" system is a joke! Anyone who hurts children are sub-human. Most three year olds know the difference between right and wrong. May God have a special place for their souls and their "resting place" really close to the Sun

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  41. This makes me so angry. Evil, negligence, and ignorance everywhere in this tragedy. There was no justice here. Just sad... truly depressing..

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  42. Judy Duke was my father's cousin, and I had only heard about this case from them talking about it as though she was a hero of some sort during it. I've gotta admit, reading about the case and her involvement with it is sickening.

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  43. Mr. B. Look a little more closely at that man. You're missing the obvious. Little Johnny didn't tie up Sylvia and abuse her. He was too little. And in the testimony notice the statements say John tied her to a board or boards. John not Johnny! He was a cop he wasn't a cop. He has all them kids and never goes inside the house to see they have 3 spoons and no stove?! Hahaha not buying it.

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    1. I'd kind of like to believe this. But I do find it plausible that John (the father) didn't go in the house - from everything that's been related about Gertrude, it makes sense to me that he was either avoiding getting back in her web, that he simply found her & the house disgusting (as in, "I am so done with her")... or both. Also makes no sense that his involvement in Sylvia's abuse/torture would not have been mentioned in any of the children's testimony.

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    2. Then you should read the court transcripts before they are scrubbed.
      Mr. B brought his belt over to Gertrude to beat one of the kids, is the lame explanation for his belt being at the house when Sylvia was killed and Mr. B can't seem to remember the names of all his children or their ages. That was completely staged.

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  44. This whole thing makes me want to get revenge on any people living today involved. I'm normally not like this, but this beyond disturbed me. I hope the mom'body is dug up violated. Piece of shit.

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  45. If you are reading this, say a prayer for Sylvia

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  46. This horrific crime has haunted me since the first time I stumbled across it on the internet. I've been reading everything about it and saw the movie, An American Crime. But the events as per Sylvia's sister Jenny don't add up. How did Sylvia live as long as she did? She was regularly tortured. Her head was bashed against a tub. She was punched many times in the stomach. She was beaten and starved and was not given water. Would she not have died sooner?
    Also, if she tried escaping several days before her death, why not try and escape way before this?
    And, Jenny said Sylvia's face was swollen up and was bruised. Wouldn't the father have noticed something wrong with his daughter when he went to visit a few weeks before she was found dead? He went there at least once a month to give Gertrude money, yet his daughter seemed in good health? Something is definitely not making any sense.

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    1. The parents have visited them in july and august and till then the beating havent escalated that much. Besides, probably they were indifferent too and dont wanna keep the daughters probably that is why abuse go unnoticed for so long.

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    2. And why weren't the parents prosecuted? And why didn't their other children get removed from their care like jenny who went to live with her lawyer....nope nothing odd there,I've along, nothing to see.
      Come on!
      And that baby wasn't gertudes. It was Stephanie or Paula's baby. They just lied.

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  48. Hi, there - I've also read everything I could find: House of Evil/The Indiana Torture Slaying (most factual); Kate Millett's The Basement (facts mixed with fiction) & Patte Wheat's By Sanction of the Victim (fiction based on Sylvia's story), the trial transcripts (which told me the most) & the Wiki (which seems to have some urban legends/hearsay mixed in; needs to be corrected).

    Re: how Sylvia lived as long as she did, it seems the human body has a remarkable ability to survive all sorts of stuff (read, for instance, about John McCain's experience as a torture victim). From all accounts, she finally tried to escape because she overheard Gertrude discussing killing her and/or dumping her in a nearby forest to die. Re: why her father/parents, who were reported to have gone to the house fairly regularly to see Sylvia, didn't notice anything amiss, I have always found this puzzling too. However, as I've considered it all, it seems as if the Likens just acted sort of 'social' when they visited Gertrude; more at pains to show they were paying her than to really connect in any way with their daughters. She did not come from a healthy family - the kids were moved at least yearly, her father sounds like he drank, her mother had been caught shoplifting - they were concerned w/ their own appearance of 'respectability.' And it sounds like they didn't even ask to see their daughters every time they went there. The girls basically went from neglect (the sort of neglect that can result in Sylvia's front tooth being knocked out) to neglect + abuse, threats, over-the-top physical punishment (Jenny, who had polio - which you would think would make her off-limits for physical punishment- had also been whipped & slapped & was afraid of it escalating as it did with Sylvia), neglect of basic needs (food) & torture (Sylvia). They went from one dysfunctional environment to a worse one.

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  49. Horrendous and so evil. Unbelievable that thw two Sisters chose to work with children and especially as an aide to special needs. Our state performs background checks with fingerprinting before employment! Here is Stephanie's public picture she posted as a young girl on her Facebook https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=953778474679272&substory_index=0&id=100001413855541

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  53. I would like to know if anyone has information about the murderers who still survive. And about Jenny Likens, what happened to her? According to the internet, he died in 2004, but I have not found information about her or some testimony. I feel a lot of hate when I read Sylvia's story and imagine being there and rescuing those poor girls.

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    1. Paula is pace now. And Stephanie goes by Serikstad and lives in Florida. She has a public number

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  56. I was going to Arsenal Technical HS (Tech) when Silvia was there. We were in Gym together. She didn't come to class often and most of the time when she did she didn't have the outfits we all wore and so she would sit out. Then the teacher told her if she wasn't going to bring gym clothes she was going to fail. She brought an outfit the next time she came to class but it smelled awful. When we wee in the locker room dressing my friend said what is that and pointed to a red raised up place on her leg, it was almost two inches long and 1/4 inch wide. Silvia said it was where her boyfriend had burned her with his lighter. It looked exactly like the top of a lighter. She went on to say he would let the lighter get hot and then shut the lid so it would get even hotter and burn her with it. My friend told her she needed to get rid of that boyfriend. Silvia looked dirty and her hair wasn't washed and she looked so worn out all the time. Everyone just thought she was a sickly girl. We never saw her after that day. About a month later we read about her in the newspaper. They've torn down the house they all lived in. Jenny married my cousins ex husband and he was not a nice person at all. Jenny died and then about a year later her husband died also.

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  57. Thank you for sharing all those details. If this is true, it sheds a bit more light/evidence (since anyone can post on these boards - as a matter of fact, I wish it were monitored more closely as lately every time I'm notified re: a new post, it's spam.) Your account rings "true," though, & sorry to hear about Jennie's husband. Girl had a hard time catching a break, too, to understate it...

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  58. I discovered Sylvia's story almost 2 years ago and when I saw her picture and saw her story, I was literally shocked and shattered to see of what she went through, all the pain and terror and suffering inflicted upon her in ways that you can't even imagine for no reason, I am really sad and really mad of all what she went through and nobody, I mean nobody was punished severely enough, not even the demon who inflicted all of the terror on Sylvia, she only got 20 years and died "peacefully" 5 years after when she should have died the exact same way as Sylvia and all the torture methods performed on her and then burned alive and torn up and fed to the lions and tigers instead of life in prison, I wish someone had saved her and I would definitely do that if I was around back in 1965 and I saw the demon hurting Sylvia, I would pull Sylvia out of that horror house to safety and then beat the demon up and slam her ugly face against the wall until she dies, the justice system in Indiana is an utter joke and it failed Sylvia big time and worked out in favor of the demon and her Satanic army, everybody who handled Sylvia's case should have been found negligent and held accountable, the judges, prosecutors, jury,parole board etc,I really hope that it stains their souls for all eternity, everybody who knew Sylvia failed her and turned their back on her when she needed help the most, life and society failed Sylvia big time and it was really unfair to her and she was failed the day she was born and she is forever separated from all the things she wanted to enjoy and never getting a second chance, but I really hope that she's flying high up in Heaven with God and his angels spreading her wings up high and that no pain or evil or those who failed her get near her again and that she is happy and forever protected with lots of love and all the wonderful things that life can only envy, I'll never forget her and she'll always have a very special place in my heart, Sylvia is a beautiful angel and that she shines forever like a bright star for all eternity.

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  59. When people tell me god has a plan, I really fail to see how this is justified. Can anyone shed some light on this? I was already a misanthropist before finding out about this case a month ago. I already had hatred, contempt, and disgust for this culture I live in. I thought I had seen some really bad stuff in my days, but this takes the cake. And now... I honestly have no words nor know how to handle this anger tearing me up inside about this. I've already refused to have children and pro-create in this culture. The only thing I can think of is to continue to share this what-ever-you-call-it(no words justify it in my book)

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  60. Hi, Unknown - just glad to see a real (not spam or doggerel) comment here - first in a while that I've noticed, anyway. What happened to Sylvia hit me like a knock-out punch when I saw the movie and read the books, too. I was so angry the first time I watched "An American Crime," I could have punched the screen repeatedly.

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  61. I saw the movie '' An American Crime'' last weekend. I am from The Netherlands, so sorry if i misspell some things. I was shocked when i saw it was based on a real story. But i learned that the real story was 100000 X more awefull as in the movie. I couldn't sleep wel for the next couple of days and for me , its just the worse crime ever. I feel so sad for that poor girl Sylvia. I can't believe that most of the neighboorhood kids joined the torture, i am lost of words. And the neighbors who did hear her screaming but did nothing?! How obvious you want to get it? I wish i could go back in time to save that poor little girl. She was so beauitful, strong and innocent. She must have felt so desperet and lonely. The whole world against 1 person. I hope you have peace in heaven and i hope the perpetrators, with Gertie and Paula on front, have/had the worst life they could inmagine.

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  64. I am from Indianapolis and was 11 when Sylvia was murdered. I remember everyone talking about it and I followed it in the Indianapolis Star. Many people had a hard time believing something so horrible could have happened. But what never seems to be talked about is that area of Indianapolis in general. In the last 50 years or so there have been several other horrifying crimes in that area. Crimes that were beyond the usual heat of the moment anger. Like a few years ago when an immigrant family was murdered on a late December night. Men women children. The entire family. The men arrested said they just wanted to rob the family and didn't know how things got so out of hand. Before that 3 men were found tied to chairs and executed. No one was ever arrested for that. And long before Sylvia's murder, the serial killer H.H.Holms killed a little boy and burned his body in the heating stove of the house he was renting in the Irvington neighborhood just a few blocks from where Sylvia's murder took place. There have been people that have been burned to death, beaten to death, they've burned down one another's houses and shot and stabbed one another. An inordinate amount of horrific things have happened in just this small area. There seems to be something wrong with that area. It's like it breeds evil. I have known people that have moved to that area and their personalities changed. They didn't murder anyone but they became harsh and quick to anger when they had been friendly caring people before. There is just something tainted and dark about the Near East Side of Indianapolis.

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  68. Since no one seems to be actively managing this page, it would be nice if scammers such as the above & several other recent ones would... back off. You are disrespecting the life, experience & memory of Sylvia Likens.

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    1. It's extremely sad this page isn't being managed. Sylvia is being disrespected even in death. Some people are just classless morons.

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    2. Agree! Maybe something has happened to whoever started the page. I'm thinking that maybe someone needs to start a new one - I can't atm but maybe in the future, 'cause, yeah, Sylvia deserves much better than this.

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  83. I hope that Every one that laid a hand on Sylvia, and everyone that felled her never had peace after this I hope they are reminded daily till their death.. so sad RIP cookie

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  84. Cures for herpes are of no relevance to this blog.
    Sylvia Likens did not have herpes.
    There has never been any mention of those involved in this heinous crime having herpes. Though Gertrude probably did have herpes, that's besides the point.

    Does anyone have any video footage of the court case? I'd also like to watch the full length interview with Rev Rubin Fields as Gertrude is leaving prison. There is a short clip of Gertrude leaving prison on YouTube, but not the full scene.
    This really is a sickening and bizarre case. How so many were involved, yet nobody did anything to help Sylvia.

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  86. Judge clearly stated "recommending life sentence" and not "ordering life sentence". So, the System just wanted to teach her a lesson by giving her a detention. Today the System is as corrupted as before in this rulling. Today the correct ruling should be as follows "Any 15 and over year old who deliberate kills another human being must get death penalty unless they were truly mentally absent (insanity)." No detentions, No chances like "oh well we believe murders can change!". Murders, rapists, kidnappers and robbers don't deserve any mercy whatsoever.

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  89. I found Stephanie. She didn’t change her name. She simply took her married name. She lives at 11405 S Florida ave, Floral City, FL. Saw the house on Google Maps, and it looks like they’re poor.

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  91. I just learned of this case and Sylvia's ordeal about 3 weeks ago. Since then, I've been researching everything I could find, direct messaged Stephanie on FB (and heard nothing) and just finished reading all of Jenny Liken's testimony in the 1966 trial. I've appreciated the comments here and learned quite a bit. Would like to start something regular with any folks here who are interesting such as a new message board or FB group or? I'm not against reaching out to the misguided daughter of Coy, the torturer. I'm aware of liability in making threats online and I would never do that. But I'm open to asking questions. First, I'd like to know if any of the principles (alive or dead) felt any remorse. Clearly, Demon Gertie did not. I'm a little apprehensive about reaching out on my own though. Is anyone on this board interested in attempting to reach anyone? I am glad to have found this board.

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